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Seagull ST 36 // ST 3620

Postby Dibetu on Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:48 pm

Recently I got two of each Seagull movements ST 36 // ST 3620 which can be used instead of a Unitas 6497 // 6498.
Their finish has improved a lot and a friend was convinced they were on par with ETA. I got three regular versions and one in top execution with blck PVD finish, blued screws and the top springs and balance. The design of the Seagull is very similar to the Chinese Hangzhou movement now with a ETA like timing device.
Out of the box they all ran within 10 seconds per day with very little deviation in the different positions and constant good amplitudes, with other words they were all very well adjusted and timed. Very impressive.... but the pleasure did not last too long; three of the four movements have died, two by the same mysterious death, suddenly out of nowhere the beat increases to mad speeds, the balance looks more like a jet turbine and the secondhand spins at approx. three times the speed until the whole balance assembly falls apart, I actually watched on the PVD version: the shock jewel flew off first and then the whole balance assembly like exploded. The balance spring was in two pieces; which is like impossible. Can anyone explain what happened to these movements? The third movement died as one of the wheel jewels came out and got stuck in the movement.
In my opinion the reliability is not quite there yet. The standard versions costs less than half what the ETA equivilent and the PVD top versin only a quarter what ETA charges. Was I just unlucky?

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Re: Seagull ST 36 // ST 3620

Postby Daddelvirks on Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:54 pm

In my opinion the reliability is not quite there yet.

You might say that Daniel :lol: .
I'm curious if any people have the same experience.
Good luck,

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Re: Seagull ST 36 // ST 3620

Postby Dapper on Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:06 pm

I was disappointed to read this as I've just received a 3620 from Roland Kremmner (ebay 'erkahund') for a project. It seems to be generally regarded as a sound, reliable, movement & it's £31 as opposed to £105 for the ETA equivalent. I have one in another watch that's still running fine after six months or so.
I'm wondering if yours were maybe from a faulty batch - are you able to get a refund from your source?

Cheers :)
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Re: Seagull ST 36 // ST 3620

Postby rfrazier on Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:24 pm

Clearly overwound. ;)

(It sounds like the mainspring/click snapped.)

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Re: Seagull ST 36 // ST 3620

Postby Dibetu on Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:14 pm

rfrazier wrote:Clearly overwound. ;)


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I always wind my handwinders every morning, on the first one I don't know when it happened but on the watch pictured it happend last Saturday evening, the mainspring would have been one quarter down. I picked up the watch and suddenly noticed the balance go out of controll.
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